HHO
technology is advancing, around the world. As a result, HHO Companies are getting smarter as
competition increases. Customers are getting smarter too, and sharing
information. In case you do not know, this web site is dedicated to providing Free
Information --- to help move this technology forward --- and it
is working.
Hundreds of first time buyers land on this web site each day. Most of
them want to learn more - so they can understand and make better choices when they
choose an HHO Companies product. A lot of them want me to suggest a
company and or product. Perhaps that is because I understand Faraday's
Laws of Electrolysis, and what it takes to produce 1 Liter Per Minute of
HHO.
I was asked to look at each of the following HHO companies and
calculate if
their claims of HHO Liters Per Minute could be substantiated, based on
the descriptions and configurations listed on their web sites.
That is not to say that a companies product is good or bad. It is simply
to determine if the stated LPM output is even close to being possible with their
suggested operating amperage and plate configuration. Why? Because, Potential Customers are being advised to
buy on the basis of LPM output based on Amperage. That can be very misleading when the actual
LPM output is not substantiated or even probable. It makes one company product look
better than another company's --- on paper; buy from me, my product is
better. This has to be stopped, and
the Florida Attorney General's Office is doing something about it.
Surely other states will follow.
It would help the Buyer, if a company
listed how long their Cell would operate (at a suggested amperage) without overheating (We
could
call it --- Run Time).
The Run Time for a 5 plate cell is shorter than a 6 plate cell.
Likewise, the Run Time for a 1 stack cell is longer than a 2 stack cell
(unless each stack has its own Bubbler/Tank). Two stacks, sharing the
same water, heat the same water twice as fast (could be a good thing -
could be bad). Sound confusing?
Companies are stating
that their cells produce exact amounts of LPM. That is not needed;
Approximately or About is all we need. And don't report it was measured
with a device that the customer can not realistically purchase and
measure with - themselves. Filling a bottle with water and displacing it
with the gas is about the most realistic measurement I have seen;
although crude. At
least, it allows us to Time it along with them (and visibly see mistakes
they make doing it). The method is not exact,
but it is close enough for us to make a decision; I have proven this
time and again with my Cell Configurator. There are
too many companies using oxygen meters, hydrogen meters, air meters; and
no telling what else; none of those measure HHO even close to acceptable
measurements. Dwyer company will custom make a hydroxy meter for you,
but you must tell them the Exact % of hydrogen and oxygen mix. Then,
they don't guarantee it to be accurate. You could tell them any % you
want, and they will make it and label it "Hydroxy". So, Who do we trust?
Who can we trust? I leave it to basic Faraday Laws of Electrolysis of
Water. That is why I built
the Cell Configurator to calculate possible LPM outputs. It may not be
exact, but it is close. Close enough for me, and close enough for anyone
to use to evaluate a product's LPM claims. I am purposely excluding
special electronics that may or may not increase HHO production; that
may or may not increase efficiency. I also purposely exclude MMW
efficiency ratings because practically no one calculates it correctly -
yet they all rely on it to make sales pitches. MMW accuracy is only as
good as the measurement of HHO; not an exaggerated claim.
A few
companies are using the
AliCat HHO Meter.
They say the company knows how
to measure gas. Well I have checked the late great Michael Faraday's
calculations against the AliCat, and I can tell you, the AliCat fudges
the gas amount, unless you filter out the water vapor.
But if your measurements are within 10% of Faradays calculations, for
your cells LPM, I will pass you as being reasonably accurate.
So, if your
Company is listed below, you should be proud to be on the Substantiated
Claims List, and concerned if you are listed on the Unsubstantiated
Lists.
" DON'T MAKE CLAIMS YOU CAN'T BACK UP --- WITH
DOCUMENTATION --- REPEATABLE ! "
Make that information available for your potential customers to see and
examine
"A Lot of Companies have gone Out of Business"
Companies with
Substantiated Claims of Liter Per Minute Output
Verified with my Cell Configurator
It is Rare for a company to provide all of the Details needed. Those
that do, can be trusted.
Seems to be an honest
company. Product looks good. The details they used to provide showed they had an
efficient .... well made ..... product.
Now they have a new design, with few product details. They
are using expensive Injection molding to produce the cell, the bubbler, and a
filter. Once the molds are made, parts can be made quickly. The expense is in making the molds. They are using their
own bolt design that requires a special tool to assemble and
disassemble. Cell configurations are using single and multiple cell
stacks of 7 plates in series, 8 inches in diameter.
They produce about 1 LPM @ 16 amps per stack.
They are in
this business to stay, and Customer Support is good.
This is a good company with a well constructed Cell.
They use 7 plates in series, which is very efficient. The LPM statements
they use are very close to my Configurator Calculations.
I have
little information on their Customer Support.
But their web site states the
following:
"If you are not completely
satisfied with your purchase, please e-mail us indicating your problem.
Most often, it will be a simple issue, easy to fix. If we
cannot solve your problem remotely, we will authorize a "Return
Authorization." I have one customer
of theirs that disagrees with that statement.
The following companies are the same company or
are/were affiliated at one time:
This is a good company. They
specialize in EFIE's. Have been in business a long time, helping
customers choose the correct EFIE for their vehicle. They say they build their
own products in-house. They do not market LPM. The plate configurations they
use are 7 plates in Series (most efficient for 12 v systems).
Also see Top Energy, LLC
below, and Advancedhho, which is an affiliate
This is a good company with a good product. They actually understate the
LPM capability of their cells. I have used my Cell Configurator to back
them up. They make several versions of HHO Generators; 12v, 24v, and 150
volt.
This is a good company.
They now use a Unipolar Cell Plate Configuration; either alternating
positive and negative plates or neutral plate columns. A 30 plate
configuration, using 6 columns is capable of producing 3.75 LPM @ 60
amps. That is 1 LPM @ 16 amps (my opinion).
LPM listings are measured with an Alicat Scientific HHO Flow Meter and
with the bottle fill method, and are accurate when calculated with my Faraday
Cell Configurator. The Alicat looses its accuracy as moisture increases
in the HHO gas.
They advertise as Not using Neutral Plates.
Don't fall for that. They have positive and negative electrode plates
that are wired to a dc power source - with non wired Plate Groups in
between the positive and negative plates. The Neutral Plate Groups cause
a voltage drop, the same way Neutral Plates do.
This is a reliable company, with customer support.
These companies sell
good products and provide very good product support. They rely on Bob Boyce. The late great Michael Faraday gave us the laws of
electrolysis of water and they have yet to be broken officially. There was a time when
this sites LPM statements were the same as Faraday calculations. I checked
them using my Cell Configurator. Then they increased. Then the products
some how started producing more Orthohydrogen, up to 99% more. Then it was a purer HHO gas. Now Deutruim
levels of HHO gas called Hydroxy Gas®.
Approx. rate 12 amps x 13.8 volts = 1 LPM of of Egas
I find no documented proof to support this
statement.
We break Faraday's law of electrolysis efficiency by about 150% to
200%.
How
do you measure your gas? You show no proof whatsoever.
A 7 plate cell is the best design for 12v to 14v.s it has the
fastest electron flow of any design.
I agree, 7 plates is very efficient. Fastest electron flow of any design?
How
much faster have you clocked those electrons?
PWM makes orthohydrogen, that is 2.4x's to 4x's more powerful
than parahydrogen (NASA science )
Gee, so does straight DC. Both produce the same
amount of Orth (75%); prove different.
These are 2 good companies.
They sell other companies products. They are reliable and have good
Customer Feedback and Reviews.
No one shows proof of this Orthohydrogen increase in these products. No
special electronics are being used. Just another Marketing Pitch.
Separation Cells are
much harder to build. This company seems to do a good job. To avoid
water leakage, they glue all of their gaskets.
All of their Cells look to be assembled well; HHO and Separation cells.
They have changed their wiring connections; big improvement.
The following companies offer no proof that can come close to substantiating the amount
of HHO being produced, or the LPM they say their Cells can produce --- with
the given amount of amperage it is fused for. If their LPM were even
close to what Faraday said is possible, with their cell configurations
and or electronics, they would not be on this list. In some cases, they
offer no projected LPM capabilities, or they project the LPM and do not
state the amperage used. I would use caution. Some of these products are
good, some are not so good. I urge you to check them out before
committing to a sale. Know what you are buying; research their record of
Customer Support. If you need assistance, contact me
mailto:david@hho4free.com
It is time to start exposing Companies for what
they are.
Auto Hydrogen
Australia
Out of Business
This product is attractive; no doubt. But the company exaggerates
the the LPM 200% of Faraday. There is nothing special about their
plates. Nothing special about their construction tolerances. The center
(positive) plate will last half as long as the negative plates. It is
assembled to get bombarded by electrons from both sides. A negative in
the center would be better.
No available information about Customer Support. No Customer Feedback
or Reviews.
2 stacks of 6 plates
They claim 2 LPM @ 20 amps
Faraday calculates tis cell to produce 1.044 LPM @ 20 amps
This company makes several Cell designs, and sizes. But they are way
out of line with their LPM capabilities. I quote the late great Michael
Faraday's Laws of Electrolysis on this page. I think this company by
far, overstates LPM. As an example, this cell has 3x7 inch plates; 21 plates
total; configured (+ n n n n - n n n n + n n n n
- n n n n + ). They state it produces from 2LPM to 8LPM, using 12
to 30 volts, and 3 amps to 50 amps.
Faraday calculations put this cell at producing about 1.9 LPM @ 36
amps, using 12v. Current Density is about 11.34 amps per stack, and
there are 4 stacks. That would max out the LPM at 2.4 and 45 amps.
I have received numerous complaints about this product. I am told, there
is no Support.
Amperage / LPM is way overstated, and so is Current Density.
This is a water injection system that is advertised as also producing
HHO. They claim 2.5 LPM at 8 atmospheres and 1.5 amps. They also claim
it can produce 47 LPM. They offer absolutely no proof that it produces
any HHO; no videos, no pictures of it in action. Their customer feedback
repeatedly uses the words Tremendous, Astounding, Phenomenal, Awesome.
If this unit could produce 47 LPM and also inject water into the
combustion chamber, 4 cylinder engines would not need any gasoline if
they used this product. My opinion.
I read their detailed page on "How It Works"
I laughed my you know what off.
If you bought this product and are not
satisfied with it, or with the Customer Support they provided you,
Please let me know.
One of the most copied cells on the market.
Contains nine 4x4 inch plates, configured + n n n - n n n +
3 volt plate voltage when operating on 12 volts.
The main problem I have with this cell, is the use of only 1 hole in
the plates. That single hole has to let water in,
let water and HHO out; it restricts circulation. The holes are alternated top and bottom
(one plate has the hole at the top, the next plate has the hole at the
bottom. That causes this cell to
Pulse the gas between chambers. As one chamber fills with gas, it pushes
water out. The pulsing causes the water level to
vary as the HHO fills the chamber and seeks a way out. In a
sense, it collects HHO in some chambers before releasing it. The timing
of this causes the out pulsing of the gas. It also causes an unequal
distribution of the path amperage takes, and that introduces unnecessary
heat which is definitely a problem with this cell. It is a brilliant way of making a
water heater out of a dry cell. In the
picture above, the HHO output port is far too low below the
gasket. The chamber on the other side, has to fill with HHO - to that
point - before it can escape through the hole. That happens from cell
compartment to
cell compartment; the worst dry cell design I have encountered.
Using the Laws of Electrolysis of Water, given to us by the Late
Great Michael Faraday, this cell is, at best, capable of producing
about 752 ML PM @ 18 amps. If operated at 30 amps, as the company
suggests, it may produce about 1.253 LPM; not the 2.2 LPM as they
advertise.
Those are Faraday's calculations.
That is my view of this product.
Personally, I would not buy it as is.
Add another hole in each plate and I may consider it.
HHO Plus and Affiliates
All of the Companies below, are or have been Distributing this product.
I seriously doubt all of the affiliates are listed below.
More Detailed Information
about these cells
HHO-Plus
manufactures and distributes its product to many
Affiliates/Distributors around the world. Thus, concerns and
complaints that I receive from their customers, are from around the
world. It troubles me that a company would advertise and sell a
product, such as this, and then not support it sufficient enough to
keep customers reasonably satisfied. Customer Support is critical
when the product is Experimental.
I do not care much
for any of the DC0000 product design capabilities. Click and Read
the "More Detailed Information" - above. Many affiliates of this
company have gone out of business or changed products.
Klondike DarolMason D&N
Automotive Engineering
Retired --- No longer has eBay
store
Sold the rights to
his products. I will post them when I get them.
Mighty Mite
(all models), Mini Mite, Pure Power,
An honest
company; just don't believe everything you read. You won't find any videos
showing the HHO output. The Cells are made from PVC Plumbing Parts, and
I have complaints of water leaks, because of excess heat. The Cells ---
are efficient. The 2 inch diameter electrode plates can handle 2 amps
Continuously; I would not recommend using more amperage. If you want an
HHO Generator to use for Health purposes, this would work.
Kit
2 inch Diameter Plumbing Pipe
141 degrees F in 20 minutes.
"Y" Tee Mite Grid Plate Cell
He claims 1.5 LPM @ 10 amps. The 2 inch
diameter electrode plates can not handle that continuously.
They claim this unit makes 2 LPM @ 15 amps
Using Faraday calculations, at most, 1 LPM @ almost 14 amps
It uses PVC Plumbing Pipe rated at 140 F. They tell you to install it in
a cool place. LOL
16 Plate, 316L Stainless Steel Plates (2 stacks of 8)
They say they are "The Largest Supplemental HHO Fuel Cell Installers
Group In Europe --- Currently In 13 Countries. They claim 5.5 LPM out of
11 Plates (2 stacks of 6 plates sharing a center electrode). They also
say it is small.
The late great Michael Faraday tells us that it
would take 105 amps to produce 5.5 LPM, using their cell configuration.
Active Plate size would have to be a minimum of 10x10 inches. So you
see, it is possible to produce that much LPM, but they fail to state at
what amperage. Their system uses a 40 amp Relay and a 30 amp Circuit
Breaker. There goes that 5.5 LPM.
This seems to be a good company. They make several Series sized cells.
Their construction seems to be good. I have talked with them before
about their LPM statements. They stand by them. They are high.
The
cell you are looking at is a 31 plate. It is 4 inches high and 3 inches
wide, length is 7 in.
They say 5 LPM and 2.5 LPM Continuous without overheating. 5 LPM would
require 80 amps on this small cell. It is 3 stacks of 7 plates in
series. Faraday calculations predict this cell to produce 1.315 LPM at a
maximum of 21 amps continuous. Actual Current Density is even smaller
when you consider the gasket.
No Customer Support
Information available, and no customer reviews or feedback.
I would research them good before making a purchase.
Looks like
they have removed their LPM statements. Product constructions seems to
be typical of Dry Cells.
They offer various size cells that use 7 plates in series; efficient.
I could not locate any Support or Customer
Reviews. Recommend researching them well before committing.
CNC machined plastics; 320 F temperature. 7 plates in Series; 6x6
inch Active Surface area; no holes in the plates. Produces about 1.25
LPM @ 20 amps (they state 1.5 LPM). I calculate 20 amps is the maximum
that should be used. They state 50 amps max. Poor circulation by design
(they admit). Operates for 12 hours continuous.
If you have any information
on the reliability of this product, please let me know. This may be a
good product.
HydroElectricPower
seems to be
Out of Business
https://www.hydrolectricpower.com/ hydropower.us
HH2.us "click" image to enlarge
In order for a vehicle to be a Hybrid, it must operate on two
different/separate
energy sources. HH2 equipped systems are not capable of operating
strictly on the by-products they produce. They are creating an Air
Additive, not a separate fuel that powers your vehicle. The web site has
removed the videos I once had controversy with. However, they still
offer no video justifying the production of hydrogen and oxygen at
operating temperature and amperage. And, they provide very little
physical detail about the product. Their Data looks to be true. Read the "More Details"
More Details
Documented Complaint
A Hydrogen & Oxygen Separation Cell. It uses 2 electrodes. Each
electrode produces about 10.44 MLPM of separated gases, Per Amp, That
amounts to less than 104.4 ML per minute, using 10 amps. It would take 96
amps to produce 668 MLPM of hydrogen, and 334 MLPM of oxygen. Basically,
the product heats Water; but the H & O it produces can reduce pollution
in the exhaust. And the water vapor it produces can assist with an
increase in fuel economy.
I could not find any Detailed
information about this companies product. They say stainless steel is
not used as plates in their electrolyzers, but they do not say what "is"
used. Their Electrolyte is KOH. They make HOH, not HHO; not a problem,
it is the same thing. They do not mention how much HHO, excuse me, HOH
that their products make (LPM). Nor do they state amperage. But they use
35 amp Controllers (PWM), and 40 amp Relays. Personally I suggest using
a higher rated relay. Operating close to maximum is risky. They have one
video measuring HOH production; using the bottle fill method; which
works for me. When he starts the clock, he counts off the seconds, 1, 1,
2, 3, 4 -- towards the end of the 30 second mark he speeds up the count.
LOL (1, 1 is not a typo --- that is exactly how he
counted). I have complaints of this guy badgering experimenters for
using 316L Food Grade stainless steel -- because of Hexavalent Chromium.
He says 316L produces it; He offers no scientific proof that it does;
non. There is no pricing listed on this web site. One must call or use
Email. The product looks nice, from what I can see.
ER50
Electrolyzer (Assembly videos for this product might be made
at the end of this year)
An honest company. LPM is
measured with the bottle fill method, but uses a counter weight
which, in my opinion, fudges the amount of gas that is created than that
without using the counter weight. That is where the increase in
efficiency comes from. You won't find any videos showing the HHO output.
The Mighty Mite Store uses George Wiseman's design; and modifies it
some what; with Georges' permission of course.
Seems to be
a reliable company, but no product details. The owner was furious for
being on this list; honest. This company specializes in Big Rig Trucks. They
supply 3rd Party Test and Evaluation of their products. The owner told
me that No Customer has ever questioned them about the output
specifications or capabilities of their Cells.
Amperage
levels used for testing should be based on efficient Current Density
capabilities of the cells configuration. Cell Configurations are not
listed. They claim to be able to accurately measure the LPM of a cell,
regardless of atmosphere, temperature, humidity, etc; all in good faith.
You pay to be a member; you also pay for testing ($500). There are no
videos on their web site; showing testing. Yeah. Just hand your money
over, and we will give you a sticker.
Out
of BusinessAdvanced HHO an affiliate of
Top Energy, LLC
Advanced
HHO offers parts along with selling entire kits. This allows you to buy
replacement items, or only order the harder to find components you need
to build your own. (They are a supplier)
This is their reason why HHO works: To make sure you have a
good understanding of how and why these systems work, let's take a look
at some basic chemistry. We just need to talk about molecules and atoms.
Water is a molecule, and a molecule is made up of smaller parts known as
atoms. That's the end of the first lesson!
To make sure you have a good understanding of how and why these systems
work, let's take a look at some basic chemistry. We just need to talk
about molecules and atoms. Water is a molecule, and a molecule is made
up of smaller parts known as atoms. That's the end of the
first lesson!
They provide few details. Not
enough to review the quality of their product.
I am seeing these cells and products on other company web sites.
Company is in the process of
building their website. Very little information is available on the
Cell. They claim it is a Dry cell, however, it is submerged inside of a
container. They list maximum amperage at 2.5 amps. The Cell is activated
by a Vacuum Switch that senses the engine operating.
Most of their LPM estimates are
close to the amperage being used, however the larger Cells are not. The
Cells seem to be Wet Cell technology, but could be Dry Cell. They are
enclosed in plastic material. Current Density may or may not be correct;
difficult to tell because they do not state the Active Surface area of
the plates.. They seem to be an honest company.
A customer
said this company uses 2 stainless steel bolts as electrode plates.
Perhaps that is why their cell only uses 4 ounces of water every 200 to
300 hours of operation.
This is a good company. They make a good reliable product. They have
good Customer Support and good Customer Feedback. They use very
efficient configurations of 7 plates and 13 plates in their products.
Overstates their LPM. (1 LPM for each 12.5 amps) using 12 volt
systems, 7 Plates in Series, single and multiple stacks; no special
electronics.
I find no
proof to support their measurements or claims, other than them saying
they have measured it before; many times and many ways. They have fallen for the
Marketing Scheme of Orthohydrogen, Monotomic Hydrogen, Deuterium Levels
of Hydrogen gas, and extravagant LPM per 12 amps.
Hydrogen Separator Cells, 1 LPM, 2 LPM, 3 LPM of Hydrogen (Can also be
used for HHO)
This company makes perhaps the Best Cells I have seen (I have 3
of them). They set the Mark for other companies to strive for.
They use my Cell Configurator to verify LPM and
calculate Current Density.
Their products produce exactly what they say
they do. And they don't mind saying so.
If my LPM calculations work on all of this
companies products -- then tell me why it should not work for all others.
The late great Michael Faraday tells us that we need a minimum of 1
square inch of plate surface area, for each 0.54 amps. This cell
certainly complies. He also tells us each set of plates can produce
10.44 MLPM of HHO, per amp. With that being said, this cell needs 16
amps to produce 1 LPM, not 10 amps as Punch blatantly proclaims. His 7x7 inch plates
can handle 27 amps efficiently. 7 plates in series is in my opinion the
most efficient configuration for a 12 volt system. This cell is all of
that. Yet it is only capable of producing about 625 MLPM @ 10 amps; far
less than what Punch proclaims. This
cell is capable of produce 16.66 ML per second @ 16 amps, and 10.42 ML
per second @ 10 amps. Just because there are no holes in the plates,
does not mean there is no current leakage (which he proclaims). Water still has to find its
way to the plates, and the gases have to find their way out of the cell.
Those are reasons why this product is on this list of companies. I think
this is a good product; just marketed above its capability. Punch is
promoting this cell with a LPM Marketing Schema. Do not fall for it.
If you
have one of these cells, and it leaks around the plastic, please let me
know. I have only found 1 complaint, and it was on an earlier model.
I like this cell. It fits in locations where a lot of others
do not.
Perhaps the most copied small Cell; and perhaps the original designer.
These cells are sold all over the world. The plates are about 4 inches x
4 inches, and the Inside Diameter of the O-ring is about 3 inches. It is
that 3 inches of surface area inside the O-ring that makes the gas.
Using the Laws of Electrolysis of Water, given to us by the Late
Great Michael Faraday, their 9 plate cell is capable of efficiently
producing about 1 LPM @ 24 amps. If you operate it at 20 amps, as the
company suggests, it will produce about 835 MLPM; not the 1.5 LPM they
advertise. Those are Faraday's calculations. Now, this company has greatly
cleaned up its marketing of LPM. They no longer state it. But they still
have their old videos demonstrating the Cells' operating, and on them, they state
the LPM and amperage. The videos are all good, and a learning
experience for beginners. I encourage you to watch them.
The company also makes very efficient 11 plate cells using 5 neutrals (+ n n n n n - n
n n n n + ), and 23 plate cells (4 stacks of 6 plates in series. I
suggest those cells over the cells that use only 3 neutrals. 5 neutrals
will operate cooler, longer, and produce more gas per stack, per amp. It
is important not to let these cells get hot. The Acrylic plastic will
soften, which will cause the gaskets to leak. This
is a good company, with a good reputation. Their product is very basic,
but it is efficient if used within its design limits.
Video Proof
measurements are based on a flow meter. Measurements are more than 50%
too much for the number of plates and amperage used. Active plate
surface area is too small to operate at their suggested amperage, for
long periods.
Blog:
http://hho4u.wordpress.com/category/hho-dry-cell/
Construction looks to be quality. A remarkable resemblance of Hydro
Bullet's Cells,
They seem to over state the LPM on the 12v models, and under state LPM
on 24v models.
Some of the cells are offered in both 12v and 24v configurations.
I could not find any Customer Reviews, or any Customer Support
information.
But from what I can tell, they seem to be a Good Company.
Makes a series of configurations for 12v, 24v, 120v, and 240v. Many
different sizes from 1 LPM H to 51 LPM H
I do not find any Customer
Support Information or Customer Feedback/Reviews.
I do not find any details that allow me to check their LPM statements.
Their Q&A has some minor details, but not enough to calculate their
accuracy.
HHO Connection
Out of Business
Mike is very knowledgeable and provides very good support for the
products he sells.
He sells other companies products. If they are not good, he won't sell
them.
I have found that the LPM he states is within 10% of Faraday's
calculations.
Mike has some good information videos on
youtube.com that
help with Understand this technology.
Their Cells look good. I like where they put the electrical
connections, but I dislike the push on connectors. It is a great
concept, but has proven to fail over time. The company is on this list
because they are caught up in the LPM Marketing Schema. They advertise
their Hydrogen quantity, Higher than Faraday says is possible for both
hydrogen and oxygen amounts. Perhaps it is a language translation
problem for them. Well I take them as meaning what they say.
If they change their Hydrogen amount to within
10% of Faraday calculations, I will remove them from this list.
Overstates the amount of Hydrogen their Separation Cell can make, using
30 amps. It is a 2 stack, 6 plate Series separation cell. They say it
makes 1.9 LPM hydrogen. It could not make that much Hydrogen & Oxigen with 30 amps, much
less Hydrogen alone.
According to their video, the Cell is manufactured by a Portuguese
Company
Web site says it operates on half of an amp (0.5)
The electrolyte fluid lasts for 40,000 miles.
Video shows one small bubble being produced every few seconds.
Video shows an electronic circuit board built into the top of the cell.
It could easily be a voltage reducer.
Construction looks to be Wet Cell design.
All of the Companies below,
either are or have been
Distributing this product.
ALL are out of business.
Information about these cells. They are glued together
then painted to cover up the seams. They come apart when they get hot.
The company states "they never get hot". Customers say different.
They overstate LPM and amperage amounts. They are under engineered as
far as Current Density is concerned.
I have
received more complaints about this product than any on the web;
including Customer Support Complaints. I would not recommend this product or any
that look like it. It is basically a Wet Cell, that has been converted
to a Dry Cell, by sealing the edges of the plates with a silicon
product. I know first hand from a reliable HHO customer. Owners of this
product deny
they are glued.
Their LPM demonstration test video works
on the principle of "Lifting Gas", not Water Displacement. Their timer
starts way late --- after they have screwed the cap onto the bottle; gas
collects during that time.
They
have changed their cell design. At
least, they have changed the pictures.
Now this is a more reliable design. However, it is not the size of a
motorcycle battery (as their website states). Their videos are of their
old product, not this new design. Nor have they changed their cell
dimensions. Nor have they changed the pictures of their electrode
plates. How can anyone trust what this company says? All I see is
deception.
If you choose to do
business with these companies, research their Customer Support "Good
--- Real Good". Personally, I would "skedaddle" from their website.
Global Energy Devices(once affiliated with Mileage
Shop products; may be the Mother company).
http://www.globalenergydevices.com/
Out of Business
If you visit these web sites, and compare them with Mileage Shop, you
will quickly recognize their ads.
They still overstate LPM. They still promise the cell will never
overheat. They still say amperage never changes.
It is a 6 plate cell, less than 6x6 inch plates. Space between the
gaskets is even smaller. They say they have fixed their problem with
leaks, and fixed the problems with Customer Support. They also state
that it produces Hydrogen. They make no mention of HHO or of Oxygen. For
the cell to just produce Hydrogen, the locations of the Top barb
fittings would not be located in the same spot, on both sides. I find
fault with the consistency of their claims.
It is possible that Global Energy Devices is the
mother company of the Mileage Shop and Affiliates.
They flood the market with adds in order to make sales.
Very similar to The Punch Cell.
3.5x3.5 inch, 21 plates (4 stacks of 6 plates)
Will actually max out at 1.462 LPM @ 28 amps.
They claim 2 LPM @ 15 amps. Faraday calculations prove different.
Look to be copies of HHO2U design.
Only 1 picture of the product. Very limited
details. No customer feedback or reviews.
Grossly overstate LPM They claim, 2 to 2.5 LPM @ 15 and 20 amps.
The Galaxy 1 (Old Mighti
Mite) is a 10 cell generator that is hand crafted to have no current
leakage and will last over 3 years of ordinary use. At 10 amps, they say it will
produce 1 liter of HHO and at 15 amps will produce 2 liters of HHO. That
7.5 ML per watt.
I used Faraday calculations and determined that
it is capable of producing 522 ML PM @ 10 amps and 120 watts; that is
4.3 watts per ML. 15 amps produces 783 ML PM. Cells are electro-welded
so they will not leak and you can not peek. They recommend putting a fan
on it.
This company produces a
good quality rugged product. The cells are all metal; no plastic.
They have 11 Plate and 13 plate designs.
They have up to 150 Amp designs; yet they do not provide any LPM
amounts.
They think Current Density is based on total square inches of plate
surface; that is unfortunate.
11 gauge Outer Plates, 20 gauge Inner Plates.
I really like these cells. I
find no Customer Reviews or Detailed Support.
Looks like Smack has disappeared. The above web is gone. His Wall Plate
Cell plans are still available for download, but you would do better to
build something else; unless desperate. Smack has been know to do some
foolish things, such as putting an HHO Generator in the back floorboard
of the passenger compartment. And of course there is his Titanium
Cell remarks. Bob Boyce set him straight.
Smack, man I am not going to knock you. You make a
good argument.
You are a good speaker on the subject of HHO and the environment. You
have good ideas.
CED US UK LTD & Spain
Fraudulent Product representation
Product images and verbiage were copied from Global Ecological Solutions' web
site; word for word; picture by picture.
They are trying to cram Titanium of as being
superior to 316L Stainless Steel. Nod-da.
They have
Poor heat configurations built into their cells. Require cooling radiators
to get rid of the heat.
Titanium Coating; amperage deteriorates it. Titanium does not make a
superior gas than 316L stainless steel. Titanium is a harder metal,
yes, but has higher resistance to electron flow, and is non-magnetic.
The MMO coating they use is sensitive to high amperage, and some
electrolytes.
Titanium does not rust, but other metals that touch the water do. And
guess what that is going to be ---- their stainless steel cooler.
I did not find any information on Customer
Support, or Customer Feedback.
Research them good before you commit.
Not too impressed. There G-1000 system uses 4 oz. of water every
10,000 miles. No pricing on their web site. No sales from their web
site. You must contact them if interested.
This company can not substantiate their LPM. They are using
Wet Cell designs. Their 25 plate system is several Cell Stacks of 4
plates in Series; using 2 neutral plates in each stack. They are
applying 48 volts DC from a Generator that you must connect with a Fan
Belt. The generator supplies all of the power. Cell voltage will be
about 16 volts. That is going to cause an incredible amount of heat. The
Cell will overheat rather quickly. It may be capable of make 6.5 LPM at
35 amps per Stack, with a total of 210 amps; Real brute force
electrolysis. The under the hood electronics board is monstrous in size.
You will need a lot of room for this brute. The smaller 12 volt systems
they have are using Fernco rubber lids and bottoms; ok for
experimenting, but not ok for professional manufacturing; my opinion. If
you watch their videos, you will see them leaking water. When operated
at 12 volts, plate voltage will be about 4 vdc; still too high. It will
heat quickly. These Cells are not demonstrated producing 50 to 60 LPM at
30 to 35 amps.
Looks like they are using Electrical Project Boxes as
Cell containers.
No specifications on their cells, no useful information.
Personally, I would not make a purchase.
Hydro Club USA
HHO Plus and Affiliates
"Y" Tee Mite Grid Plate Cell
H2Osh.com
Hydrogen Power Systems
Eagle Research
- Hyzor Cell
https://www.sehydrogenhybrids.com/
KG HHO
France Belgium Switzerland
Hybrid Hydro Tech, LLC.
Out of Business
Hydro
Fuel Sys (HFS)
They
have changed their cell design. At
least, they have changed the pictures.
Global Energy Devices
(once affiliated with Mileage
Shop products; may be the Mother company). 
FuelSaver Listed on alibaba.com 
Make Hydrogen Generators
Hydro Star
E-22
Electrolyte $10 for 200 grams (7 oz)